{"author":null,"canonical_references":[],"database_sha256":"8cfbe7284c6936871d57c02dc6aa63ebbdfd4722422d539dd9f716e46e91112e","date_end":null,"date_start":null,"edition_year":null,"id":"sermonindex-ecf-6674","native_reference":{"book_number":650,"chapter_from":5,"chapter_to":5,"system":"MyBible module coordinates (mapping unverified)","verse_from":8,"verse_to":8},"public_import_allowed":false,"record_kind":"verse-keyed-module-record","review_required":["English edition and exact text","author/work attribution","dating","verse mapping and citation kind","reuse and attribution","split author quotations and deduplicate"],"review_status":"unreviewed","source_html":"<p><b>John Chrysostom</b>: \"He learned obedience by the things which He suffered.\" What obedience? He that before this had been obedient even unto death, as a Son to His Father, how did He afterwards learn? Seest thou that this is spoken concerning the Incarnation?</p><p>...\"He learned,\" he saith, to obey God. Here again he shows how great is the gain of sufferings. \"And having been made perfect,\" he says, \"He became the Author of salvation to them that obey Him.\" But if He, being the Son, gained obedience from His sufferings, much more shall we. Dost thou see how many things he discourses about obedience, that they might be persuaded to it? For it seems to me that they would not be restrained. \"From the things,\" he says, \"which He suffered He\" continually \"learned\" to obey God. And being \"made perfect\" through sufferings. This then is perfection, and by this means must we arrive at perfection. For not only was He Himself saved, but became to others also an abundant supply of salvation. For \"being made perfect He became the Author of salvation to them that obey Him.\"<br/><i>— Homily on Hebrews 8</i></p><p><b>Oecumenius</b>: \"Although he was a Son, he learned obedience through what he suffered.\" Therefore, he says, He was so obedient (and He obeyed as is fitting for a Son to the Father) that after He was incarnate, He even endured the cross to death. \"And He learned from what He suffered.\" He indeed says, What is death, being God? For what has God not known? But also from what he suffered, he learned. Not only, he says, as he was God, but also as he was man, having experienced death.<br/>In another way.<br/><i>— The Pseudo-Oecumenian Catena on Hebrews</i></p><p><b>Photios I of Constantinople</b>: Now as far as the phrase \"although being a Son\" is concerned, if someone should understand it as a transposition—and such a trope is uncustomary for the excellent apostle—the natural reading of the passage would be something like this: \"Who in the days of his flesh, although being a Son, made petitions and supplications,\" etc. That is, although having the very great advantage of being a Son, which enabled him to do all things by his own autocratic opinion without any petition or request, even as the Father does, nonetheless, since he was in the days of the flesh, he offered petitions and supplications. And according to this understanding it can also be understood how the phrase was soon joined to \"and being heard because of his godliness,\" inasmuch as he says that he was heard, although being a Son, and not asking to be heard, inasmuch as he made his will concurrent to his Father's will and it was fulfilled without any petition. But if you conjoin this clause with what follows, the understanding will also be guided in the right way in the manner that I will show. But first we ought to examine the meaning of the clause \"he learned obedience from the things which he suffered.\" It really cannot be that he himself learned from the things he suffered to obey his Father and that by testing he acquired knowledge of how to obey him, can it? Or is it not rather that by testing he learned such was the greatness of the obedience, with which the Father hearkened to him, in that he was crucified and died and rose and exalted the human race to be at the right hand of the Father and to save our race? For these sort of things pertain to that obedience which took place when he said, \"Father, glorify your Son.\" Christ, being the Son and God just as much as the Father, already knew this obedience and how great it was, even before he rendered obedience to the Father, but \"having been heard\" he learned it through the things he suffered and through the testing he underwent. Then, however one wishes to understand it—although to me the second way of understanding seems particularly well suited—the phrase \"although being a Son\" presents no difficulty.<br/><i>— FRAGMENTS ON THE EPISTLE TO THE Hebrews 5.7-9</i></p><p><b>Tertullian</b>: And this species of the divine patience indeed being, as it were, at a distance, may perhaps be esteemed as among \"things too high for us; \" but what is that which, in a certain way, has been grasped by hand among men openly on the earth? God suffers Himself to be conceived in a mother's womb, and awaits the time for birth; and, when born, bears the delay of growing up; and, when grown up, is not eager to be recognised, but is furthermore contumelious to Himself, and is baptized by His own servant; and repels with words alone the assaults of the tempter; while from being\" Lord\" He becomes\" Master,\" teaching man to escape death, having been trained to the exercise of the absolute forbearance of offended patience. He did not strive; He did not cry aloud; nor did any hear His voice in the streets.<br/><i>— Of Patience</i></p>","source_html_sha256":"db61fe85119e65824046b29792038f1d3b252ea2fc23a5e603a886193c7789ed","source_module":"ECF","source_row_id":6674,"source_url":"https://www.sermonindex.net/commentary/ecf/","text_sha256":"464be6d082af1cb89537cbb338b2d6aac66ea860ab0bf052d30ba3cea00b58b0","translator":null,"work":null}