2 Timothy 2:11 This is a faithful saying ... 1) Is this Paul's introduction to quoting a truth, or a hymn; OR 2) simply his own way of emphatically affirming the truth of what he is saying. 1) Many think it is part of an ancient hymn because of the introduction and the symmetry and meter of the saying. 2) Others (Lenski, Coffman) assert that there's no need to think so. No evidence of such a hymn before this. "It is possible that from here to the end of 2 Timothy 2:13 we have the fragment of an early hymn. There are four conditions in these verses (2 Timothy 2:11), all of the first class, assumed to be true." (Robertson's Word Pictures) If we died with him.. Baptism - Romans 6:3-5, Aorist "we died", pointing backward to a specific event or action. We shall live with him .. Cf. Romans 6:4-5 ; Romans 6:8 John 14:19; 2 Corinthians 13:4; 1 Thessalonians 4:17, 1 Thessalonians 5:10 cont. in 2 Timothy 2:12