Testimonia

Publiek archief van verzamelde en verwerkte bronrecords.
Overzicht / Records / record

original-transcribed-p-node-unclassified

Technische verwerking bevestigt geen inhoudelijke beoordeling of toestemming voor openbare publicatie.

record_key: f7375ff6bb9c54290796df5c2d499b5bdb2051b359bbdb31dc81e202fa4a3a84
origineel ID: ancl:12eb9cd363fd51e8fe98:p:2 · verwerkingsstatus: Verwerkt, inhoudelijk nog niet beoordeeld · teksthash: d0b39c08efb51a171fec2e0af19f367dacd347310364f211ae63815dc1b4cdc3 · 3,229 tekens

Tekst tekstblob openen

Let us see how he continues after this: “These events,” he says, “he predicted as being a God, and the prediction must by all means come to pass. God, therefore, who above all others ought to do good to men, and especially to those of his own household, led on his own disciples and prophets, with whom he was in the habit of eating and drinking, to such a degree of wickedness, that they became impious and unholy men. Now, of a truth, he who shared a man’s table would not be guilty of conspiring against him; but after banqueting with God, he became a conspirator. And, what is still more absurd, God himself plotted against the members of his own table, by converting them into traitors and villains!” Now, since you wish me to answer even those charges of Celsus which seem to me frivolous, the following is our reply to such statements. Celsus imagines that an event, predicted through foreknowledge, comes to pass because it was predicted; but we do not grant this, maintaining that he who foretold it was not the cause of its happening, because he foretold it would happen; but the future event itself, which would have taken place though not predicted, afforded the occasion to him, who was endowed with foreknowledge, of foretelling its occurrence. Now, certainly this result is present to the foreknowledge of him who predicts an event, when it is possible that it may or may not happen, viz., that one or other of these things will take place. For we do not assert that he who foreknows an event, by secretly taking away the possibility of its happening or not, makes any such declaration as this: “This shall infallibly happen, and it is impossible that it can be otherwise.” And this remark applies to all the foreknowledge of events dependent upon ourselves, whether contained in the sacred Scriptures or in the histories of the Greeks. Now, what is called by logicians an “idle argument,” which is a sophism, will be no sophism as far as Celsus can help, but according to sound reasoning it is a sophism. And that this may be seen, I shall take from the Scriptures the predictions regarding Judas, or the foreknowledge of our Saviour regarding him as the traitor; and from the Greek histories the oracle that was given to Laius, conceding for the present its truth, since it does not affect the argument. Now, in Ps. cviii., Judas is spoken of by the mouth of the Saviour, in words beginning thus: “Hold not Thy peace, O God of my praise; for the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful are opened against me.” Now, if you carefully observe the contents of the psalm, you will find that, as it was foreknown that he would betray the Saviour, so also was he considered to be himself the cause of the betrayal, and deserving, on account of his wickedness, of the imprecations contained in the prophecy. For let him suffer these things, “because,” says the psalmist, “he remembered not to show mercy, but persecuted the poor and needy man.” Wherefore it was possible for him to show mercy, and not to persecute him whom he did persecute. But although he might have done these things, he did not do them, but carried out the act of treason, so as to merit the curses pronounced against him in the prophecy.

Versies (1)

Versie 12b21c1dd75cbf9cf72f9f1e9cc3f7ca3657244b13a3db226837155f3f730b3f
{"actual_source_scan_identifier":null,"author":null,"canonical_references":[],"classification":"UNCLASSIFIED","dom_serialized_html":{"$text_sha256":"d72950dacb5c1d2dc4fcda5ca2eb25a686df8d740d6dc091dfc8d933cbfcf0f5"},"edition_attribution_from_manifest":null,"heading_or_title_candidate_kind":null,"id":"ancl:12eb9cd363fd51e8fe98:p:2","is_genuine_commentary_verified":false,"named_translator_from_manifest":null,"needs_review":false,"original_node_id":"mwBQ","original_note_callouts":[{"dom_serialized_html":{"$text_sha256":"3c7c524913fa05019d0770712e0516dfbd8febff9ce3508183c1b1626bbb9af6"},"original_id":"cite_ref-1","targets":["#cite_note-1"]},{"dom_serialized_html":{"$text_sha256":"1f7fd3baf15a2c96aa54b3f3744023b7bb31a77f56b4f69232de899063cc6d83"},"original_id":"cite_ref-2","targets":["#cite_note-2"]}],"original_transclusion_root":{"attributes":{"class":"mw-content-ltr mw-parser-output","data-mw-html-version":{"$text_sha256":"a29febbf19e6af8302bb875ed5491063a87555cc01c7e55c79902f8041eac42f"},"data-mw-parsoid-version":"0.24.0.0-alpha25","dir":"ltr","lang":"en"},"edition_from_manifest_is_unreviewed":true,"original_id":null,"source_char_end":59686,"source_char_start":36836},"original_work_date":null,"physical_printing_year":null,"preceding_original_heading":{"candidate_kind":"literal-heading-prefix-unclassified","chapter_number":null,"classification":"UNCLASSIFIED","dom_serialized_html":{"$text_sha256":"febcc9902dc201c6fe5dc4ccfc4e4a81d48204d744e666af355705ae7bc32224"},"element_tag":"p","heading_is_metadata_only":true,"id":"ancl:12eb9cd363fd51e8fe98:heading:1","original_node_id":"mwBA","original_source_span":{"raw_span_exact":true,"source_char_end":42276,"source_char_start":42202,"source_html":{"$text_sha256":"febcc9902dc201c6fe5dc4ccfc4e4a81d48204d744e666af355705ae7bc32224"},"source_html_sha256":"febcc9902dc201c6fe5dc4ccfc4e4a81d48204d744e666af355705ae7bc32224","source_line_1_based":511,"source_utf8_byte_end":42284,"source_utf8_byte_start":42210},"public_import_allowed":false,"source_page_at_start":null,"source_sha256":"540d0d507fd95bccfb8d0be4fc0f42ab21b05f139861fd30608b1f417e7e4233","source_url":"https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ante-Nicene_Fathers/Volume_IV/Origen/Origen_Against_Celsus/Book_II/Chapter_XX","text":"Chapter XX."},"public_import_allowed":false,"raw_span_exact":true,"reading_policy":"Existing collect_structured_editions.reading: source whitespace collapsed, zero-width formatting removed, pagination/navigation/callouts omitted, source dropinitial alt used; exact HTML retained.","reading_text_is_derived":true,"record_kind":"original-transcribed-p-node-unclassified","reported_author_unreviewed":null,"reported_translator_unreviewed":null,"review_issues":[],"semantic_kind_reviewed":false,"source_char_end":47666,"source_char_start":42278,"source_document_format":"legacy-wikisource-content-not-scan-transclusion","source_html":{"$text_sha256":"1554c8f4a0a59bd9747ecb7b04cbbdce62d92efe912cbb809e468b0ced80ac5c"},"source_html_sha256":"1554c8f4a0a59bd9747ecb7b04cbbdce62d92efe912cbb809e468b0ced80ac5c","source_id":"12eb9cd363fd51e8fe98","source_image_alt_used":[],"source_line_1_based":513,"source_page_anchors":[],"source_paragraph_index":2,"source_path":"raw/research/wikisource/patristic-series-stage4/12eb9cd363fd51e8fe98.html","source_sha256":"540d0d507fd95bccfb8d0be4fc0f42ab21b05f139861fd30608b1f417e7e4233","source_url":"https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ante-Nicene_Fathers/Volume_IV/Origen/Origen_Against_Celsus/Book_II/Chapter_XX","source_utf8_byte_end":47722,"source_utf8_byte_start":42286,"text_sha256":"d0b39c08efb51a171fec2e0af19f367dacd347310364f211ae63815dc1b4cdc3","volume":"Volume_IV","work_group_id":"ANF-Volume_IV","work_id":null}

references: [] | work_id: | origin: native-whole-paragraph-unclassified | source: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ante-Nicene_Fathers/Volume_IV/Origen/Origen_Against_Celsus/Book_II/Chapter_XX

Plaatsingen (1)

OrdinalInputVersie
line:2981212b21c1dd75cbf9cf72f9f1e9cc3f7ca3657244b13a3db226837155f3f730b3f

Bijbelverwijzingen (0)

CoördinaatReferentie

Live-status (1)

Live IDStatusMatchesSchema
ancl:12eb9cd363fd51e8fe98:p:2processed_not_found_in_observed_live0