Irenaeus Against Heresies Book II For that there are spiritual creatures in the heavens, all the Scriptures loudly proclaim; and Paul expressly testifies that there are spiritual things when he declares that he was caught up into the third heaven,[265] Tertullian A Treatise on the Soul It, too, has eyes and ears of its own, by means of which Paul must have heard and seen the Lord;[62] Origen Against Celsus Book I It does not, however, belong to our present object to explain why Paul says, "Whether in the body, I know not; or whether out of the body, I know not: God knoweth."[88] Origen Against Celsus Book VI of God do not speak of "seven" heavens, or of any definite number at all,[114] Hippolytus Refutation of All Heresies Book V Paul the apostle, he says, knew of this gate, partially opening it in a mystery, and stating "that he was caught up by an angel, and ascended as far as the second and third heaven into paradise itself; and that he beheld sights and heard unspeakable words which it would not be possible for man to declare."[93] Methodius From the Discourse on the Resurrection For the apostle, he says, does not suppose paradise to be in the third heaven, in the opinion of those who knew how to observe the niceties of language, when he says, "I know such a man caught up to the third heaven; and I know such a man, whether in the body or out of the body, God knoweth, that was caught up into paradise."[55] The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs III 3. Hear, then, concerning the seven[4]